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vcdupper | 773 points | Mar 08 2018 22:52:38

[ANNOUNCEMENT] I'm Done Posting | Megalinks MegaDB [ANNOUNCEMENT] I'm Done Posting

EDIT: Got hooked up with a VPN so looks like I'm not going anywhere, thx /u/SemenDemon

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[-] Puptentjoe | 222 points | Mar 08 2018 22:53:36

Were you behind a VPN or did you take any other measures?

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[-] ForceBlade | 118 points | Mar 09 2018 01:30:07

Yeah seriously. Nobody 'really' cares about piracy unless it's the finance team behind $currentTVshow because they're obviously losing money and have to care. They ask MEGA, mega says $thisIP did it, and comcast forward it to you with a slap on the wrist saying "please no".

But that all comes back to....it says repeat offender, how the hell did you not think a VPN was a good idea after the first one!

But seriously as silly as I sound, nobody cares except the people paid to.

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[-] aykyle | 63 points | Mar 09 2018 03:02:02

I've never been called out on a download from MEGA. Only when I torrent.

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[-] Cronus6 | 96 points | Mar 09 2018 04:20:49

You (virtually) never get in any trouble downloading.

They go after those that are providing the files. Uploading.

Which is why you get nailed for torrenting. As you torrent (as this email said) you are "sharing", you are providing others with the file(s). You are uploading.

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[-] NotAHost | 15 points | Mar 09 2018 06:47:22

Which is also why you should only torrent through private trackers.

Got a few warnings downloading random movies from public trackers (piratebay, kat, suprnova etc), as they tell you what you were downloading that got the warning. Never gotten a warning from my private tracker, and I've literally downloaded over 30 TB, and uploaded 15 TB.

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[-] nztom | 10 points | Mar 09 2018 07:56:19

Which private trackers do you recommend? Ive never been get access to any

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[-] daltonhrrll | 16 points | Mar 09 2018 13:52:39

Hd-space is pretty decent to start on and is easy enough to get into. Pm me, I'll shoot you an invite.

Edit: To everyone messaging me about an invite:

  1. I do not have an unlimited amount of invites, but I have accumulated quite a few and will gladly share them. <em>This is on a first come, first serve basis.</em> | Megalinks MegaDB This is on a first come, first serve basis.

  2. The invites are distributed through email, so <em>you have to send me your email address to receive an invite</em> | Megalinks MegaDB you have to send me your email address to receive an invite.

  3. <em>Please be sure you understand</em> | Megalinks MegaDB Please be sure you understand trackers often require a ratio of 1. This means you will seed the same amount of data you download.<em>FAILURE TO MAINTAIN RATIO WILL RESULT IN YOU BEING BANNED FROM THE TRACKER</em> | Megalinks MegaDB FAILURE TO MAINTAIN RATIO WILL RESULT IN YOU BEING BANNED FROM THE TRACKER If this is not something your willing to attempt then don't message me.

  4. When you get setup, download anything marked with a gold F/L symbol <em>AND SEED IT FOR AT LEAST A WEEK</em> | Megalinks MegaDB AND SEED IT FOR AT LEAST A WEEK. Any torrent with that symbol means that it doesn't count against your ratio to download it but it will count for your upload. This will drastically make keeping your ratio easier. I have a ratio of 5 and got it entirely by using this method.

  5. If you have a slow internet connection and are worried about not keeping a good ratio, then head over to r/seedboxes.

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[-] sonntG | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:26:24

Me too please?

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[-] EncryptedDarkness | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 08:52:40

What private trackers do you use?

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[-] Cronus6 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 11:05:51

Which is also why you should only torrent through private trackers.

I suppose, if you are going to torrent (you shouldn't) that this is the better way.

Got a few warnings downloading random movies from public trackers

You didn't get any warnings for downloading.

You got them for uploading | Megalinks MegaDB uploading to other people while you were transferring.

If you don't upload, you won't get any warnings.

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[-] donkeykong95 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 18:56:11

This is good to know. I have my VPN and killswitch setup for mega downloads which are already encrypted themselves. Good to know that my setup is overkill instead of underkill. Thanks for the knowledge!

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[-] cztrollolcz | 1 points | Mar 10 2018 12:25:17

wow only .5 ratio

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[-] Haku479 | 1 points | Mar 28 2018 16:07:13

What device do you have that can store that much stuff?

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[-] NotAHost | 1 points | Mar 28 2018 17:31:54

I don't have 30 TB worth of stuff, I've deleted a lot of it that isn't useful (movie packs, old versions of programs, etc).

I do have around 20 TB worth of HDDs that I use for my plex server though.

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[-] thenicob | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 14:34:53

I've torrented literally three times in my life. Got busted and was supposed to pay roughly 2000€ for one album. Reacted once to two claims and never heard of it again ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

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[-] Cronus6 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 15:05:19

I never torrented very much either. More than 3 times though lol.

Twice I woke and and my internet was down. I waited a couple hours because, you know, "shit happens". Maintenance has to be done or hell, once a dude was drunk and knocked down a power pole with his car a couple blocks over and it killed the internet.

Anyway after a couple hours of the outage I called Comcast to report it. I was immediately transferred to some sort of legal department and told I'd "been caught and my access suspended".

This was, I was told, over a TV show episode. While on the phone they "walked me though" deleting the episode, and uninstalling the application and whatnot.

About a year later the same thing happened, for a movie this time.

This was before any sort of "3 strike" policy. I decided it really wasn't worth the hassle and went back to DDL sites, IRC and forums like this one.

Never had another problem.

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[-] thenicob | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:19:39

lol.

It is SO different here in Germany. You get a big ass fine even for the first time, but it doesn't effect your connection whatsoever. Probably because its regulated through another instance (lawyer and stuff).

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[-] Cronus6 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:26:00

Yeah, I didn't get a fine.

And to be honest, I didn't even delete or uninstall anything, I just told them I was.

The 2nd time I got caught I blamed it on "one of my kids".

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[-] ForceBlade | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 03:16:45

Yeah same. Feels like the sub wasn't why they got that message....

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[-] btkc | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 04:07:57

Isn't it usually the upload that gets you?

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[-] StencilKiller | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 16:40:12

Yes, but the purpose of torrenting is uploading and downloading. Any data you've downloaded from a torrent can be uploaded to other users even while you're downloading. When you've downloaded, your torrent program will likely automatically seed the torrent, so anyone downloading it can get bits of the data from you and anyone else with the torrent, until you remove it from the program.

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[-] btkc | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:52:07

Yeah I'm pretty well versed on torrenting and it's vulnerabilities with respect to piracy. I was replying to /u/aykyle about never being called out for downloading from MEGA because I don't think you'll ever get anything for downloading from a website like that.

... and really, that's why we're all here right?

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[-] StencilKiller | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 16:53:34

Ah, sorry. Got lost this far down from the post you were replying to.

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[-] NotThem247 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 03:17:44

it might not be from downloading, it could be from uploading/sharing/distribution. or maybe a tv stream? im not really sure how streams work though.

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[-] ebol4anthr4x | 11 points | Mar 09 2018 01:32:57

Also worth bearing in mind that Comcast owns NBC and Universal, so they may be extra touchy about any media related to those.

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[-] NotThem247 | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 01:52:24

is any article or anything that says mega releases ip address's of uploaders for copy right stuff? i thought all they have to do is take down the content and maybe the account too.

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[-] AvatarReiko | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:42:42

What does a VPN do? Does it hide or your activity or something? Couldn't your ISP still see your computer history even with an VPN? You are still connecting to the internet using their services

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[-] ForceBlade | 15 points | Mar 09 2018 02:46:14

You tell someone else to forward your request onto your friend, on your behalf. Rather than doing it yourself. It will send you their reply too.

But that conversation is encrypted so everyone in-between has no idea what the traffic is. But they know you're talking to a VPN server.

Instead of going to google.com directly, I would go to my vpn server and tell them I'd like the google.com page. Or just send my natural, normal, google.com request out my tunnel to my VPN providers and it comes up under their name instead because I end up going through their servers. Google wouldn't even know it was me (assuming incognito)


Yes if someone were to break in and look at your history it would still be there. But how would anyone know you're the guy? Most VPN hosts do not keep logs.

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[-] gitzip | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 15:31:45

Most VPN hosts do not keep logs.

CLAIM they don't host logs. And thats the big issue.

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[-] donkeykong95 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 18:59:23

I love this breakdown of how a VPN works, i'll be using it to help my buddy understand why they are important. The last level of privacy well never have is Google and other companies keep your history. So sure your ISP can see what is being passed through by other big companies know right?

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[-] [deleted] | -15 points | Mar 09 2018 04:03:44

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[-] ForceBlade | 15 points | Mar 09 2018 04:04:12

Uhuh? It's a good thing they don't know what the traffic inside is then; isn't it.

The fact that they don't know what you're doing is all the more reason to not assume what it is. I tunnel my email traffic to my house when I'm at any starbucks, but it's malicious because.. spooky vpn's? Just doesn't check out.

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[-] HomerNarr | 8 points | Mar 09 2018 05:14:23

VPN is a common legal way for companies, to protect the communication between companies and roadwarriors. An „assumption“ is worth shit, since as an admin myself, i have over 100 clients myself and one 24/7 connection between datacenters. And we have around 100+ employees. However, since i control the endpoint, i can check whats transmitted, but the internet provider can‘t. If there is a leak, its the VPN provider, or your vpn is faulty.

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[-] [deleted] | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 05:19:51

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[-] HomerNarr | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 05:29:37

A roadwarrior or people working in homeoffice can not be discerned from people trading holiday videos.

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[-] [deleted] | -5 points | Mar 09 2018 04:05:41

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[-] ForceBlade | 9 points | Mar 09 2018 04:09:16

Then they'll say "we don't keep records lol, bye" or if you've been majorly lied to, they'll MITM you and see your spooky....email... traffic... Or torrent traffic worst case. (Oh no!) [Edit: and even then that traffic can be encrypted/non-readable, but the ports can give away what type it is, eg emails use pretty obvious ports.]

There are people who DO believe this to be possible [and on paper it is], and tunnel themselves through multiple VPNs There's a meme for this

If someone needs that much protection, they probably are up to no good imo. Or just absolutely paranoid. I only use my VPN at home for torrent traffic so Telstra stop rate-limiting my speeds (They slow down torrents. But not when they don't know it's torrent traffic!) but people should be allowed security by default, I just want faster downloads :P

They would only investigate if there was reason too. For example, people sharing/involved-with something terrible like child porn should be bought to justice. Having 7 proxies is just a deterrent but with a warrant you'll pretty much always get caught with enough effort.

Someone smart would be hopping/mix matching hosts every session (think, TOR) to avoid being tracked completely while online. Using a PC booted into a ramdisk so all history is destroyed upon exit. Though, even the bad guys, unfortunately. Some people are stupid enough to get caught however. And even the TOR nodes you bounce through, can be traced back, painfully, one by one to your IP/your-isps-ip>to you


But yeah the general idea is that you're protecting yourself from evil people @ the Starbucks who want your email, banking info and any other evil MITM shit along the way. Not the FBI. You ~~shouldn't~~ couldn't even be a blip on the radar doing that. If your VPN's certificate fails to check out, you don't press "continue anyway" you leave. Fast. Knowing it's compromised.

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[-] requires_distraction | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 04:50:56

VPN is a standard business tool, your ISP would not even blink

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[-] HomerNarr | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 05:15:50

He better not dare trying, companies would crush them with legal titles.

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[-] deleuex | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 04:51:17

Some folks use vpns for work purposes when working remotely mostly government jobs aerospace etc.

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[-] HomerNarr | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 05:06:31

A vpn encrypts the data that is transmitted between your pc and the vpn provider. Your internet provider is not able to check what you are doing. All your internetstuff goes through there and is hidden from your provider.

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[-] generalecchi | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:43:08

"pls no"

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[-] aykyle | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 03:07:10

I might get a personal seed box. Have to look around at prices because I don't want to spend $$$ on something I'll hardly use. Only time I usually use torrents is for games or if I can't find it here or on Netflix/Amazon Video. But, using a seedbox gives you faster torrent downloading and if it gets flagged, the website gets the DMCA and not you. The website will just tell you to delete it from the box and that's it. So if you torrent a lot, it might be worth the $5-$10.

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[-] invincible777 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 09:10:28

I use FeralHosting, it's £10 a month ($12?) for a 1TB Seedbox, I get fantastic speeds, constantly hitting 100MB/s on torrents, I also have it set up as a Plex Server too, with 4 people often using it at the same time transcoding, I got it in July thinking I'd try it out for the month then cancel it.

It's now March and I keep contemplating getting a 3TB seedbox from them instead.

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[-] aykyle | 181 points | Mar 08 2018 23:41:30

Just a note, I've gotten 4 of those. Comcast is required to send the letters by the studios. They wouldn't shut your internet off because it would cost them money. But I've gotten those 4 in the span of 3 months. 2 were a few days apart. It never goes further than the email, because that's what the minimum requirement from them is.

Edit: I should note these all came from torrenting. So if you just don't torrent, they can't do anything. I know that's a big task since you can't always fine things with links.. but it's the only way to not get another of these. But that's only if you're really paranoid of being shut off. Or get a seed box for your torrents. Because then the seed box company gets the notice and all they really do is tell you to delete them with nothing else.

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[-] 81olives | 47 points | Mar 09 2018 00:22:58

I've lost track of how many notices I've received from TWC (before the merger). Think it was 2 or 3. They actually did shut off the internet for a day. Suddenly lost internet connection and couldnt figure out WTF was going on. Next day, got on my phone browser to test around. It redirected to some TWC page that said something like if you agree to stop infringing we will re-enable your internet connection. Then there's a button you had to click. Clicked it and internet was back up and running.

I wised up and got a VPN. Funny thing was that none of this was because of me. My brother was using that Popcorn Time crap at the time to watch movies.

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[-] MarkoWolf | 52 points | Mar 09 2018 02:33:50

You lost track of how many notices you got around the 2 or 3 mark?

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[-] [deleted] | 17 points | Mar 09 2018 02:38:53

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[-] 81olives | 8 points | Mar 09 2018 03:13:58

Sorry, I worded it poorly. Basically, I forgot how many. This was 6 years ago. I just checked my email though and it was 2 emails that they sent. I believe TWC had a three strike program or something like that at the time. Not sure about Spectrum now.

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[-] doobsftw | 14 points | Mar 09 2018 00:26:03

They wouldn't shut your internet off because it would cost them money.

The only time their greed actually plays in your favor.

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 14 points | Mar 09 2018 00:41:48

Seriously i understand why he's kinda scared, but he really doesn't need to unless he lives under a dictatorship of something like that. Everywhere in the EU, you cannot legally back that email up by <em>ANYTHING</em> | Megalinks MegaDB ANYTHING. It's nothing but a scare tactic employed by MANY ISP's, even in the EU, but as i said, they can never actually use it for anything. All it proves is that your IP was there.. It never proved YOU, as a person, went to download shit. It might aswell be ''oops i forgot to turn on the password''.... It's just simply not a thing. I have never seen A SINGLE court case won in my country on that ground. It always goes in the favour of the ''pirate''. And rightfully so! Prove it before accusing, bitches! Wether guilty or not.

It's nothing but a scare tactic.

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[-] bert0ld0 | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 12:02:23

You are penally responsible for your wifi

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[-] Lipzo | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 08:39:43

Seriously i understand why he's kinda scared, but he really doesn't need to unless he lives under a dictatorship of something like that.

While I agree that the chances are that nothing really would happen to the OP if they continued to do as they are doing, I don't really agree that there is no justification to be 'scared'.

All it takes is for a company to single out an individual and throw their full weight behind them and it will change everything, and that is eventually going to happen so there is no reason why OP shouldn't be 'scared' by that idea. All of these notices are no doubt scare tactics, but how many people are really going to say that they would be prepared to be prepared bankrupt (as that is what will happen due to proclaimed 'damages' for anything that was shared) over something as simple sharing content with others.

It never proved YOU, as a person, went to download shit. It might aswell be ''oops i forgot to turn on the password''

While you can make this point, if you are the OP who has been sharing content for an extensive period any court would throw that argument out very quickly. Continuous uploads of various different types of media being shared from a single place would be more than enough for a jury to find you guilty by means of probable cause at the end of the day.

TL;DR - just because there has never been a case in the past behind someone getting locked up due to this doesn't mean you should just consider this as a scare tactic.

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[-] Christmas_in_July | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 00:52:32

When I had Comcast I got the letters all the time and nothing ever happened. Switched to Century Link and they actually did shut off our service. I had to call to get it back on and got an email saying that if I did it again they’d terminate my service.

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[-] bornamann | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 01:23:12

that's why I love this subreddit

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[-] cbraun1523 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 01:36:03

From what I understand is that through comcast you are allowed 6 of those "strikes" because my roommates and I got 4 notices at our last apartment. All from torrenting.

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[-] viper8828 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 02:31:40

yea my isp allows what im guessing is 4 or 5, it says in the email they allow a few before they disconnect your service for infringement.

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[-] sgfrisbee | 1 points | Mar 08 2018 23:53:17

I would not say that. I have COX Cable, I got a one email 5 years ago to stop sharing some ebooks (Did not turn off internet at that time) than last year no email just turn off my internet. It all depends on the company.

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[-] aykyle | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 08:17:29

Well OP has Comcast, which is the only company I have experience with

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[-] circuscub | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 00:31:10

The problem currently is the varying court rulings about if a notice from a company counts under copyright law to hold the ISP responsible for not turning off customers.

Cox is/was facing a multimillion dollar judgement against them, because a Judge decided that a notice attempting to extort money from account holders counted as allegations in a legal context. It is still ongoing & there are other lawsuits warming in the wings.

Part of the problem was Cox didn't have a clear policy & the Judge dinged them for that, ignoring that most of the notices were just demands for payment with DMCA notice stamped on the top.

I thought normally they forwarded on a copy of the notice they received, which would give some clues about what generated the notice.

Sad to see you stepping back.

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[-] doctorwho6904 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 01:24:57

Believe or not i've actually never gotten one of those. Probably because i don't have or use Comcast.

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[-] Empyrealist | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 06:02:30

Not to one-up you, but I've had at least 6. Spectrum will turn off your internet each time to force a phone call with their security department to unlock it. Each time, I used a new unique excuse as to what might have happened and how I took steps to prevent it from happening again. They were satisfied and turned it back on. Just keep your story straight and unique per instance so they can document that it's not the same ongoing infraction.

That was until I started using a VPN.

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[-] YourPapy | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 08:27:39

Yeah. They don’t give a shit. They’re getting paid, they’ll say “oh we’ll warn them, we’ll tell them not to, and remind them we can (but never will) suspend their service.”

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[-] CrookedStool | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 12:05:45

Ive gotten so many Ive lost track. Ive recently starting using a VPN for torrents and that should stop the emails.

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[-] incarnatethegreat | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 13:00:48

I got one for torrenting a Game of Thrones episode. I've torrented so much shit, but that's the only one a studio via ISP emailed me for. Pfft.

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[-] aykyle | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:17:45

Torrenting GoT is almost guaranteed to get flagged. Doesn't stop me though, tbh. Sometimes downloading it via torrent is faster than waiting for mega.

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[-] incarnatethegreat | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:29:14

I've been using MEGA through here and it has been very helpful. You're right, though. GoT is basically like waving a giant flag saying "HEYYYYY LOOK AT MEEEEEE I'M DOWNLOADING YOUR SHIT FOR FREEEEEE"

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[-] aykyle | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:30:38

Yea, mega has helped so much. And it's 10x faster than torrenting. Used to take forever to download a tv season, now I can do it in less than half an hour.

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[-] incarnatethegreat | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:46:13

My wonderful (/s) ISP started throttling torrenting. I'm not gonna leave them right away, but I'd like to.

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[-] chriscrowder | 1 points | Mar 13 2018 13:54:15

Yeah, I used to get so many notices from torrrenting. I honestly believe I had about 14 in my inbox at on time.

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[-] JerryNotLarry | 1 points | Mar 14 2018 23:04:22

why would torrenting trigger these warnings instead of downloading off of megalinks? genuinely asking because I don't see much of a difference

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[-] aykyle | 2 points | Mar 14 2018 23:31:25

Well it's the media companies that go out and search for you. When you download a torrent, you connect and are listed as a peer. And it lists your IP address. They then contact your ISP and your ISP is required to contact you. Mega doesn't have that issue because they don't show who is downloading what and you aren't uploading anything to other users.

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[-] letsnotreadintoit | 133 points | Mar 08 2018 23:48:26

Thank you for all your contributions. There was a time when you were kind of carrying this sub and keeping it afloat with your posts. This place is where it is because of you

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[-] horrayimuseful | 20 points | Mar 09 2018 00:47:46

this is the most reddit way to say goodbye. good call.

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[-] shampeh | 12 points | Mar 09 2018 00:33:38

beautiful

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[-] Jlx_27 | 1 points | Mar 11 2018 21:06:36

I'm feeling things....

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[-] nueve | 84 points | Mar 08 2018 23:03:06

Sorry to hear it, thanks for all your contributions.

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[-] -TheBabadook | 71 points | Mar 08 2018 23:04:23

You're like the Godfather here :( Sad to see you go

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[-] carlthescorp | 13 points | Mar 09 2018 00:54:48

Then hopefully we can pull him back in

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[-] AabidS10 | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 04:41:33

I think he'll not disappear. He'll just stop uploading

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[-] FlooshStudio | 66 points | Mar 08 2018 23:12:03

F

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[-] glasshousefailure | 44 points | Mar 08 2018 23:24:22

See you space cowboy...

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[-] MarkoWolf | 15 points | Mar 09 2018 02:37:23

All this time later, I'm 30 years old and remembering seeing that after that last episode at 2:30am during midnight run still leaves me with a pit of emptiness in my stomach.

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[-] Cristian_01 | 1 points | Mar 10 2018 05:44:05

I honestly do not get that show. Perhaps bingue watching it doesn't help

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[-] Acmnin | 8 points | Mar 09 2018 04:37:57

You're gonna carry that weight

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[-] [deleted] | 29 points | Mar 08 2018 23:51:44

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[-] vcdupper | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 16:33:00

That sounds great man hook me up

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[-] sgfrisbee | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 00:05:38

Its not a scare-tactics because I did get my internet turn off last year. I was only doing torrenting at the time

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[-] AvatarReiko | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 02:52:55

But being scared by this? LOL. It's a standard, automated message they have ready everytime they hit a honeypot.. Legally, they can't touch you, at least in the EU - can't record you etc. Seriously. This type of mail, in almost any language, is a scare tactic. That is a fact.

You should watch this. People get caught all the time

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 8 points | Mar 09 2018 03:19:09

I have been ''busted'' before. I know how it works on paper. I've seen someone get a 15 thousand Dollar fine for downloading music.

That doesn't mean scare-tactics from pretty much all ISPs aren't a thing. Legally they can't make it hold up unless there's no other houses in his area, within range of course, etc.

Also, i hope you aren't serious in wanting people to trust a random Youtube video from 9 years ago with nothing to it whatsoever in terms of credibility.

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[-] AvatarReiko | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:58:38

I have been ''busted'' before. I know how it works on paper. I've seen someone get a 15 thousand Dollar fine for downloading music.

Curious. What is the story with you are and your friend? Were you not using a VPN at the time?

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:06:49

Mate was nearly a decade ago. Mine was maybe 1.5-2 years. I basically just got a nice letter from a lawfirm telling me to pay like 500$ for downloading some random movie like a year prior, if not more..

Just ignored it, never heard anything else from it. Nothing but scare tactics, at least in my country.

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[-] AvatarReiko | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:08:55

How the hell did they track you, yet alone find your address and etc if you were using a VPN? Did they go through your ISP?

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 16:11:06

I failed to turn on my client a couple times and guess i torrented a honeypot and then got the letter. Safe to say i started being more aware of turning on my VPN lol. These days I download 90% of stuff from a PT so i don't really need the VPN all that much.

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[-] DJCHIRVIN | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:20:33

[-] LiquidAurum | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:37:35

we don't deserve you

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 18:40:50

I hooked him up now! Sorry to everyone else who asked aswell lol.

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[-] blackhawksrules | 22 points | Mar 08 2018 23:31:59

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.

You are the best of the best of the best, Sir! With honours.

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[-] Axelstrife | 21 points | Mar 08 2018 23:15:27

Did you get it from posting here or torrenting?

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[-] starbuck93 | 68 points | Mar 08 2018 23:22:28

Probably torrenting

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[-] doctorwho6904 | 33 points | Mar 08 2018 23:41:43

It most likely was torrenting. I know a friend who torrented a lot until his ISP sent him a warning. He then starting getting stuff from here(Though he's not a member of reddit for some odd reason) And he has'nt had a single problem since. And that happened about 11 months ago.

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[-] SnowdensOfYesteryear | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 01:00:22

It was definitely torrenting. Most sites are https, so uploading to mega/others would be invisible to ISPs. Bittorrent is entirely plaintext.

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[-] admiralspark | 21 points | Mar 09 2018 01:10:43

That's....not how the internet works, but in the end, as long as people take away that they need to use VPN's, it doesn't matter.

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[-] SnowdensOfYesteryear | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 01:12:40

I'm well aware of how the internet works, but yes I was assuming no VPN.

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[-] admiralspark | 13 points | Mar 09 2018 01:15:48

Then you would know that no, ssl does not make you "invisible" to the ISP and no, not all torrent traffic is plaintext or binary, since the protocol and most clients support encryption out of the box. Torrent detection is not some guy with a looking glass watching cats crawl through a series of tubes, it's signature and algo-based analytics via appliances and netflow relays.

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[-] TheOneCalledWallena | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 03:07:45

Hmm... I find this response rather shallow and pedantic.

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[-] el_boricua00 | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 04:09:47

Hmm... Yes, shallow and pedantic.

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[-] gitzip | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 07:54:00

He doesn't know what he is talking about.

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[-] AvatarReiko | -4 points | Mar 09 2018 02:48:55

I was under the impression that ISP were legally obliged to report you to the government/anti-privary team if they detect anyone torrenting and sharing content.

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[-] doctorwho6904 | 0 points | Mar 09 2018 02:52:09

Ok what the hell are you talking about? Why would i do that? Plus it make no sense. I just shared my entire book collection 2 days ago.

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[-] AvatarReiko | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:00:41

I think you misunderstand what I said. I wasn't referring to you specifically. I always thought of any ISP catches a person sharing content, they have to report to the government or something.

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[-] doctorwho6904 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:13:54

Oh sorry. But i'm not sure about that. They might but i'm not sure.

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[-] Sielle | 4 points | Mar 08 2018 23:48:31

Where you using a VPN?

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[-] 96dpi | 6 points | Mar 08 2018 23:28:05

This is what I would like to know. I would guess from torrenting and not here.

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[-] aManPerson | 21 points | Mar 09 2018 03:21:41

goodbye /u/vcdupper , hello /u/vpnupper

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[-] vcdupper | 19 points | Mar 09 2018 20:29:02

Got hooked up with a VPN so looks like I'm not going anywhere, thx /u/SemenDemon

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[-] SemenDemon182 | 18 points | Mar 09 2018 20:56:04

Happy to help!

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[-] Vexsanity | 13 points | Mar 08 2018 23:16:45

I've gotten these before they don't really mean anything

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[-] jinxthejiv | 10 points | Mar 08 2018 23:10:17

Thanks for all the uploads

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[-] culturedkid | 9 points | Mar 08 2018 23:07:22

Thank you for your service.

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[-] horrayimuseful | 7 points | Mar 09 2018 00:46:18

I hope I'm speaking for all of us when I say thank you so much for all you have done. You are one of the largest forces behind this sub and It won't be the same without your uploads. Still very glad to see you'll stick around for moding and such can't imagine the community without you.

Much Love.

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[-] kasperski97 | 6 points | Mar 08 2018 23:32:52

FeelsBadMan Thanks for all

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[-] Army_of_Fuarkness | 6 points | Mar 08 2018 23:49:48

Thank you for your service.

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[-] danosmanca | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 00:19:25

You will be missed /u/vcdupper!

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[-] debian420 | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 00:45:39

Sorry to hear it, but thanks for the posts. FWIW I've also gotten those, multiple times, nothing more has happened.

Recently I've been using bithost.io to start up a random remote VPS (they're anonymous and payable with btc) each and every time, tunneling through that. It costs about $0.01/hour and is worth it I think. Happy to help you use it if interested.

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[-] Gnilxo | 6 points | Mar 09 2018 17:47:00

Are you sure? https://www.reddit.com/r/megalinks/comments/62ilpi/meta_gonna_have_to_take_step_back/

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[-] vcdupper | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 20:29:32

Nope lol

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[-] dysgraphical | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 22:23:39

Seems like you just like crying wolf for free VPN hook ups.

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[-] vcdupper | 7 points | Mar 10 2018 11:01:36

I didn't ask for shit it was offered and I took it so I can keep bringing you guys new stuff to download

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[-] doctorwho6904 | 5 points | Mar 08 2018 23:19:49

Sad to see you go. I've been loving your posts and was looking forward to what you were going to put up next. But i guess that will never happen. See you later vcdupper. I and all of us will miss you.

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[-] Blue-Thunder | 5 points | Mar 08 2018 23:32:47

Thanks for everything. This sucks.

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[-] HeWhoMustNotBDpicted | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 00:01:12

Thank you.

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[-] gentlegiant69 | 5 points | Mar 09 2018 01:09:55

the email is most likely from torrenting, without a VPN

If you direct download (like what we do, from your uploads) you can do so without a vpn and never get an email, because DD's are not tracked.

Thank you for doing what you did. Hopefully someone else can take over

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[-] Abz15 | 4 points | Mar 08 2018 22:57:38

Damn, I was looking forward to your Sneaky Pete Season 2 post, oh well. I hope you can post that somewhere but if not that's ok. Thanks for all your excellent posts.

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[-] vcdupper | 2 points | Mar 10 2018 15:16:34

https://www.reddit.com/r/megalinks/comments/83fp7i/tv_sneakypetes02720pwebripx264deflate_262gb/

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[-] almommar85 | 4 points | Mar 08 2018 23:22:08

Thanks for everything :)

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[-] MeerkatShuffle | 4 points | Mar 08 2018 23:27:58

Thanks for everything you’ve done for the community!

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[-] -14k- | 4 points | Mar 08 2018 23:52:41

is that inbox id in the url going to ID you to your ISP??

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[-] choot_me_lauda | 4 points | Mar 09 2018 02:29:21

Press F to pay respects.

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F

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[-] choot_me_lauda | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:29:56

good bot.

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[-] Canadian_Infidel | 3 points | Mar 08 2018 23:43:25

If you are Canadian it doesn't matter and you can ignore it.

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[-] danosmanca | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 14:31:41

Is there Comcast in Canada?

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[-] TonySharkks | 3 points | Mar 08 2018 23:51:42

Thanks for everything, really. But we need details! Torrenting frequently? Use a vpn? etc. please. See ya around.

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[-] CausalProjectIon | 3 points | Mar 08 2018 23:54:19

Totally understandable. Thank you for your service.

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[-] WeezulDK | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 00:26:27

Those are why I got a VPN provider. I use TorGuard.

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[-] MrTattyBojangles | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 01:02:02

That sucks man, hopefully it's like /u/aykyle says and they won't actually do anything about it.

I'm so glad I live in a country that doesn't give a crap about any of this kinda stuff.

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[-] beepb0t | 3 points | Mar 09 2018 07:49:18

seedbox is the answer

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[-] TheEvenDarkerKnight | 3 points | Mar 10 2018 01:25:04

The Return

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[-] Cqouta | 2 points | Mar 08 2018 23:32:05

:-<

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[-] Master_Jason | 2 points | Mar 08 2018 23:38:34

salutes

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[-] Manifest | 2 points | Mar 08 2018 23:41:08

F

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[-] qmandao | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 00:10:48

I hope you find the way to protect yourself and thank you for all your efforts

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[-] SPACEBAR_BROKEN | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 00:12:11

thanks for all the posts dude

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[-] GoslingIchi | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 00:44:57

I have a couple of those from Comcast. I think it's a paper threat, but it's always good to play it safe!

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[-] carlthescorp | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 00:53:11

Damn, thanks for your work

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[-] TheSwordOfTheDawn | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 01:18:00

Doesn't matter, have a dozen of em

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[-] lagerea | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 03:44:59

If you don't like VPN's, torrenting is out of the question, but if you really wanna get that good shit at a snails pace, check out e-mule lol

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[-] kenpachiramasam | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 05:28:43

Thanks man

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[-] RyanNarNar | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 05:49:48

Major bummer for me. I'm living in India from the U.S. for the last 8 years, and have benefited SO much from you. I have a lot of down-time on my hands, and foreign cable T.V. SUCKS, They stretch the usual 44 minutes of a show that fills up an hour in the U,S with commercials into 1 1/2 hours, and the volume on the commercials is SO loud, and they are usually SO obnoxious, so it is noxious to watch. Hoping you will change your internet company, use proxies and keep going again. Peace, your friend whose life you helped make bearable over here :)

https://free-proxy-list.net/

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[-] Empyrealist | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 05:56:59

Anytime they receive a notice for an IP address they are required by law to forward that notice to you. It's unlikely they will do anything to you, and you can actually make up tons of unique excuses that can be used to invalidate each claim.

Remember, it's not your ISP tracking you. They don't really give a shit. But they are legally required to forward you the notice and to track it.

I've had extensive conversations with Spectrum's security department regarding this. They don't care as long as they can clear the instance from their system. Just give them a reason why it wasn't you, but someone may have gained access to your network, and that you have taken steps to prevent it in the future. Show that you are trying to stop it.

And for God's sakes get a VPN.

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[-] kosnarf | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 07:04:32

thank you for your contribution

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[-] acertenay | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 07:04:51

Thanks for sharing everything. I would get a vpn for the future but thanks for all you have done!

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[-] Phaynel | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 11:03:36

I used to get these emails. Got a VPN, Private Internet Access. No more after that. Don't let the man intimidate you.

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[-] playtio | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 11:40:00

Those of you who have received an email / letter regarding this, are you all from the US?

Because I assume the law is similar here in Spain but the idea of receiving one of those here is laughable and very rare, if any.

Anyway, hope you find a way to come back, vcduper!

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[-] FinchyNZ | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 11:55:00

Thanks sucks to hear but completely understand. Thank you for the multiple uploads, you have given us hours of entertainment :)

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[-] roro_mush | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 21:46:16

Clicked this link and had a panic attack there for a minute... phew

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[-] GorricX | 1 points | Mar 08 2018 23:07:36

You just need a VPN. I use one all the time. NordVPN my favorite.

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[-] Jqbrist | 1 points | Mar 08 2018 23:42:48

Thanks for everything.

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[-] jackson999smith | 1 points | Mar 08 2018 23:49:48

Thank You for all you have done -- you are a Gentleman and a Scholar -- never hurts to lay low for a bit after a letter -- they are actually required to send 5 letters before doing anything -- BUT it never hurts to play it safe -- i got one because of a torrent off of Pirate bay and have never gone back and havent had one in 2 years

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[-] Kirksherpes | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 00:22:47

Thanks for all the fish. Take care and be well.:)

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[-] DaBrendo | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 01:05:16

o7

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[-] LuluListens | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 01:29:44

Thank you for everything. :) Keep yourself safe!

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[-] rand0mx1 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 01:57:17

thank you for your generous work.

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[-] ChainLC | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 01:58:15

I've gotten a couple of these but only when I was stupid enough to use torrents. I haven't used torrents in years and haven't had any notifications in years. but I don't upload stuff either. it's your choice but thanks

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[-] greatflicks | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:01:32

First time offender, hopefully they stop paying attention and you can get back at it. Thanks so much for all your work.

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[-] MaccasAU | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:23:10

All good stepping back is fair, but still Nooooooo, vcdupper the legend!

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[-] viper8828 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:34:21

im surprised you got hit with one with as much as you do, i actually got 2 warnings for cars 3 before i even finished downloading the movie. idk how i got 2 warnings for 1 movie but yea, i even used windscribe to load up my trackers and first percentage of the download so idk. thanks for the uploads.

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[-] hellblazer_96 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 02:48:28

Thanks for all the uploads mate

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[-] vapenati0n | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:17:08

Thanks for all of your contributions!

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[-] Abernathynobush | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:21:28

First of all, thank you for all you've done, for serious. Second of all, I got 5 in a row from Comcast once, only 2 of which I actually earned. It was a huge fuster cluck and Comcast refused to rescind any of them. So I paid Windscribe $50 for a year of unlimited VPN specifically for this (they have a free option limited to 10GB a month). Should you decide to come back, give them a look, or if anybody has any good suggestions for a VPN, take a look when you get some free time. I know right now that strike is fresh and got your adrenaline pumping, but when you're ready to come back, we'll be here.

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[-] n0197exe | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:27:56

Thanks for all, man. And Fuck you DMCA.

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[-] shruber | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:38:15

Thanks for everything man. You did a lot of good work here.

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[-] im11andwhatisthis | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:46:01

did you email them back to ask them to eat your ass?

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[-] ThatOneDudeHere | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:53:42

Thanks for your efforts!

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[-] SgtDetritus42 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 03:58:36

Thanks for all the time and effort you put into posting. Cheers.

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[-] NSName | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 04:02:18

Yeah it's not worth getting caught over it. Thanks for everything and stay safe.

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[-] shamesung | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 05:55:22

Respect. You don't wanna end up another Aaron Swartz

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[-] [deleted] | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 06:30:46

[deleted]

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[-] sgfrisbee | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 06:55:20

The risk is having no internet because they can turn it off. My ISP did that to me because I was doing torrent software at the time and if that is your only internet provider in your area than no internet for you.

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[-] JPHammHamm | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 06:37:17

I have to ask, then, for any fellow Xfinity users. Would the same DMCA principle apply if you were only downloading via MEGA, and not torrenting?

I know, question with a simple answer, but I wonder regardless.

Also, you were one of the good ones, VC. Thanks for all your amazing work.

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[-] sgfrisbee | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 07:14:23

For MEGA they should not be able to see what you are downloading because the connection between you and MEGA is under SSL encryption. They would have to break that encryption to see what you are downloading. With torrent software you have to share what you have to all on the internet.

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[-] NotThem247 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:28:58

no not for mega. all they can do is tell mega to take it down. kim dot com has your back.

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[-] Kol_ | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 07:11:48

Thank-you very much for your various contributions. I and many others will definitely miss seeing your uploads around here, but everyone I'm sure knows it's for the best!

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[-] laptoplasane | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 07:22:37

:(

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[-] SQWACK_ | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 07:24:09

I love you vcdupper and will dearly miss your uploads of classic shows I can get nowhere else 8( </3

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[-] slonightz | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 08:23:42

Opera has a free, unlimited built in VPN which wouldn't be much good for downloading from Mega because other users would probably have already zapped the free data for the day, but it would be great for uploading.

I personally would never upload any kind of media without one. FYI to any noobs, Opera VPN won't work for torrenting!

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[-] wabbajackisback | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 09:35:58

thanks for everything

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[-] rowjack1993 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 10:54:31

dunno if i ever downloaded form you but thanks for your posts, enjoy what ever comes next

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[-] WellHungTurtle | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 12:26:19

Thank you for everything!

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[-] tripbin | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 12:30:24

These mean nothing. I've gotten dozens over the years. It's just Comcast's way of pretending like they did something. They only care about your business.

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[-] thunder2132 | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 12:57:48

Thanks for all your time and work u/vcdupper

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[-] LiquidAurum | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 13:38:47

I recommend getting Private Internet Access, it's only like $3 a month if you buy for a year and it's FAST

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[-] UniverseInside | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 14:22:16

this still feels like stasi2.0, i mean they dont have to proof that you download nor uploaded anything which does violate copyright in any form. Its only hey look, the data traffic is high, he cant only be an uploaders or downloader of copyright stuff.

in european countries they atleast tell you, we found your ip downloading blabla file. (in case of nothing else than a torrent, they can actual do something, for stuff like mega, etc they cant!)

anyway sad to see you are done with posting. :( thanks for all your uploads, they were welcome.

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[-] code4katz | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 18:35:31

No he probably got this notice for torrenting. There's bots that sit in a torrent swarm, grab the IP of the people downloading and automatically send a DMCA to the abuse email associated with the IP.

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[-] chazzzer | 1 points | Mar 11 2018 03:09:03

There's bots that sit in a torrent swarm, grab the IP of the people ~~downloading~~ uploading | Megalinks MegaDB uploading and automatically send a DMCA to the abuse email associated with the IP.

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[-] code4katz | 1 points | Mar 11 2018 19:27:44

There's not that much of a difference when it comes to torrenting tho.

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[-] chazzzer | 1 points | Mar 12 2018 00:48:38

True, unless you're using one of the torrent clients that has been modded to never upload. While they violate the sharing spirit of torrenting, they do keep away the nasty notices from the ISP.

Some years back I setup a friend with one. He was getting threatening notices, so I set him up with a VPN. He doesn't have much computer savvy, and somehow he was ending up with the VPN being turned off and he got some more notices. I finally cancelled the VPN and set him up with the modded client, and just told him to never upgrade it or mess with any of the settings. It's been years and he's never received another notice.

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[-] UniverseInside | 1 points | Mar 22 2018 14:33:07

sure i know how DMCA for torrenting works. But why does he torrent the shit, why not use cyberlockers? there is plenty of pages with free links, if he really wants to upload stuff here.

well.

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[-] red_storm_risen | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 14:24:02

Thanks for everything, chief!

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[-] vis_sub | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:28:30

Thanks a lot vcdupper...you are responsible for making this subreddit so good...

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[-] TheyTheirsThem | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 15:51:09

This is why God created Public Libraries. A USB wi-fi dongle separates the mac address from the box as well.

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[-] Kill_Me_Now_World | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 16:21:40

The community will miss you!

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[-] MJtheMC | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:03:51

Were you using VPN

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[-] intelirand | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:06:13

Thanks for taking one for the team keep collecting.

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[-] intelirand | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:08:50

The United States never goes after China for blatant piracy violations I have been to the far east personally and have seen this firsthand. Everything from knock-off tennis shoes to Microsoft O/S blatantly counterfeited. Yet the United States does nothing over there.

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[-] code4katz | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 18:33:42

US IP law doesn't apply in China.

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[-] deeefunkt | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 17:38:01

Thank you for all you've shared. o7

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[-] Comfubar | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 19:41:23

So did this come from torrenting or MEGA ??

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[-] vcdupper | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 20:17:09

Torrenting

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[-] buurenaar | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 22:21:19

Thanks for your help, man. I completely understand you stepping away. Your posts helped me entertain my aging father through his disdain for repeating movies. >_<

Hats off, vcdupper.

See you around the interwebz!

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[-] MrTattyBojangles | 1 points | Mar 09 2018 22:49:50

Got hooked up with a VPN so looks like I'm not going anywhere, thx /u/SemenDemon

That's great to hear!

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[-] gl1tchmob | 1 points | Mar 10 2018 02:22:14

Thank you for all your contribution! You'll always be a legend here. You'll be missed.

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[-] Mrfrodough | 1 points | Mar 10 2018 03:24:23

Which vpn?

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[-] dont_wear_a_C | -6 points | Mar 09 2018 00:19:29

Lmfao @ whymusicmatters.com

We get it. You want users to do everything legally. Who cares. Artists gain popularity whether it's through legit streams or torrents.

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[-] street0721 | 2 points | Mar 09 2018 07:27:25

you are right.. who cares? and most are "naive" inet users who dont know or give a shit about even dloading stuffs..

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